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Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.05 14:48:00 - [1] Originally by: Mad Scot In summary: So as a summary: I have joined a gang with no war decced players (initially) I have lost a faction battleship and mods costing between 2 and 2.5 billion isk after bing ambushed by warring alts I have NO kill rights on this player As an NPC corp member I had no way of receiving help from any players I wasnt even entitled to a CONCORD response despite being in safe space And this is all from valid in game mechanics? Taking any char. names out of it I think that sucks and is going to start some really bad in game policies, what is the point of an MMORPG if by assisting a player you are leaving yourself open to this kind of action? About the only advice I can give is if you want to carebear then don't join non-carebear gangs. Period. Sure you had no idea they were war-decced... not the point. If you join a player's gang who is in a player corp there's a chance their corp is war-decced. If it's someone you don't know and trust implicitely then you are just setting yourself up to get popped. High-Sec space is not 'safe' it is 'safer' but you still have to exercize common sense and a bit of logic if you plan to be a carebear in EVE. I do feel bad for you losing so much time and effort but it really was your own fault.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Thelastangel Its a matter of opinion whether this tactic really is an eploit or not..a lot of players feel it is...the devs don't appear to. (shrug) Sorry you just contradicted yourself. The Devs have said it's not an exploit... thus it is not a matter of opinion. It's a fact: It's not an exploit. That said: I do think it's a pretty sleazy thing to do and only the lowest of the low use this type of tactic to get kills in highsec. Quote: However, the same genre of posters knocking the OP, are also the ones who say "its an MMORPG you have to work together" - the depressing bit is the fact that they don't seem to recognise that these two views are mutually exclusive. If hi-sec mission vets stop helping newbies as a result of Lofty's tactic, then ultimately it is EvE that will suffer as new players will stop getting the help they need, period. Nope... helping each other and working together are fine. But something to remember: Being in the NPC Corp is NOT wise... sure you can't get war-decced but you also can't trust ANYONE in the noob corps. Duh... that goes without saying. Join a player corp... sure then you can get war decced just like the rest of us but at least you can trust your corp-mates. (and if you can't trust them then you are in the wrong corp). Bottom line: Flying 2.5bil ship in highsec the LAST thing you should be doing is grouping with a player you don't know and trust, implicitely. Ganging with a character that's 1 day old? That's even crazier. Helping other players is nice. But there are limits to how much you should trust them when doing so. I'm not saying 'ha ha he got owned'. I feel for him. But as a player who has THAT much time in game and that much to lose... I would expect him to be a lot more careful. Even as an utter newbie to EVE I never ganged with players in the newb corp. Ever. And I didn't even really have anything to lose.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Thelastangel Originally by: Taram Caldar Originally by: Thelastangel Its a matter of opinion whether this tactic really is an eploit or not..a lot of players feel it is...the devs don't appear to. (shrug) Sorry you just contradicted yourself. The Devs have said it's not an exploit... thus it is not a matter of opinion. It's a fact: It's not an exploit. . Well, yes I can kind of see your point. However, I and others can still have the opinion that it is an exploit, regardless of whether the Devs say it is or not. Thats the beauty of opinions - everybody has one. LOL! I like that reasoning! I wanna go to court sometime to fight a speeding ticket and tell the judge I think the speed limit isn't valid because in my opinion speed limits should be unconstitutional. I'll let ya know how far I get with that. :) I agree... it's a crappy trick to pull... but until the Devs either rule it an exploit... or... better.... fix it so it can't be done any longer.... its not an exploit and those who like to crawl in the gutters will continue to abuse it.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Darcie Wray This "scam" involves nothing of the sort. I'm sorry, but no matter how you describe it, it is obvious, VERY VERY OBVIOUSLY, an exploit. Erm I don't like it I think it's cheezy and lame But please explain how it's "obviously" an exploit when the DEVS have specifically stated otherwise? Not to say the devs couldn't change their minds on the matter but as of right now the ruling is that it's an exploit. All your forum lawyering asside.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Khemul Zula Those saying this is an exploit have no valid arguement. CCP said it isn't an exploit. CCP created the game. CCP creates the laws of the game. If CCP says it is not an exploit it is not whether you think they are wrong or not. Plenty of people think the government in the USA is wrong for making certain drugs illegal. Doesn't make those drugs any less illegal though. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it true. Please change all statements from "This is an exploit." to "This is a tactic I feel should not be allowed." As for the original topic. This may be considered lame (I personally like it...go lofty! ) but consider a few things. A noob asking for help doesn't need a ****ed officer fitted faction battleship coming to their help! A noob shouldn't be forming the gang since they probably don't know how to get you to warp them in the first place. So the solution is simple. Form the gang so you don't have to explain gang mechanics half the time and don't bring a faction BS to a level 1 or level 2 mission. Oh and don't gang with people under 14 days. I know people are gonna yell "But it's a multiplayer game" or "We're just being nice!" but you hurt them more then help them by doing the mission for them. They need advice, not some two year old char in a faction battleship who wants to show off by nuking the entire mission in a few shots. I would also recommend against just giving some noob money as a form of 'help'. because they really don't know what to do with it. To best help a noob: Give advice on what they should train to start with. Take the time to TALK to them and find out what they REALLY need. 9 times out of 10 they just don't know what to do or how to do it. Take the time to help them LEARN. "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day Teach him to fish... yada yada..." Best thing you can do to help a newbie is give advice. Period.

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